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Dave: This car has already been sold by that seller. A more informative link to the vehicle and the condition thereof can be found here. Previous rigmarole on here related to the car and it's engine platform can be found here and here. I hope that helps. Chris

cowboy bebop: I appreciate the offer, however I would prefer to sell the motor to an end-user rather than a re-seller. Chris

I'll add a couple things: 1.) I have personally seen this motor. I traveled to Winter Park, FL on March 19 of this year and saw firsthand the motor and the tight clearances it had in my engine bay, including the driver's side exhaust manifold sitting on the frame rail. My primary concern from the time I agreed to purchase this motor and turbo package was how everything would co-exist in those tight quarters from a heat perspective. Once the motor was put in my car and the shop got a chance to look at cowboy bebop's car and motor in their facility, we had discussions on how to proceed with the build. At the end of the day, I didn't have confidence that my original concerns could adequately be addressed, so I pulled the plug and am going back to the 2JZ. 2.) I am labeling the motor as worthless precisely because I am trying to sell the motor/turbo package. I can't in good conscience advertise the motor as being worth anything to potential purchasers under the following conditions: * The only other example of this motor/turbo combo being swapped into the MKIV chassis has a documented max dyno of 380 RWHP on Q16 fuel, a number easily attainable with the 2JZ-GTE on stock twins with BPU upgrades on pump 93 US fuel. I have not seen an answer to the question of why the motor has not been tuned for high boost that would satisfy a serious potential purchaser. * After being prominently documented, for all intents and purposes advertised, on Supraforums.com for close to three years, all information on the aforementioned car and motor was deleted from the primary forum in the US for anyone interested in this motor swap. No public reason was given on that forum. * The aforementioned car was put up for sale in September on Supraforums.com and on eBay. When questions were asking about why the motor had only been tuned for low boost, if overheating concerns were valid, and why the car was being sold after such a long and public build, the for sale thread was deleted. No public reason was given on that forum. * Comments on Supraforums.com regarding the motor in cowboy bebop's car open questions about the design and build quality on my motor. See here, here, and here. * Given the lack of documented success in producing high HP from this motor swap into the MKIV chassis, I would have to spend at the minimum an additional ±$10K USD (on top of the ±$26K USD already spent on the motor, turbo kit, and ECU) to get it running and tuned in my car to demonstrate the value of the motor to a potential purchaser. There is no value in that to me. That being said, the motor may work for whomever buys it, I can't say with certainty one way or another. But I also can't point to anything that would assure a potential purchaser of what they are getting; without that, the motor has essentially no value. So I am selling the turbo kit for a reasonable price, ±$3000 USD, and the motor comes with it as a throw-away. If it works, great; if not, they have no beef with me as I didn't (and couldn't) warrant anything regarding the motor. Chris

As a rejoinder, I would suggest people read the responses on the US Supraforums to Eric's move to delete all his threads there, specifically starting here. As a disclosure, I am not a dis-interested party. Chris

I thought I would update this thread as information has progressed on the US Supraforums regarding this swap. Here is my statement: Due to information at the end of this thread on the motor swap, the price has been reduced to reflect only the turbo kit; the motor is deemed to be worthless and a throwaway add-on. In other words, the 2UZ motor can be had for free with the purchase of the twin turbo S256 kit. This motor is, as said above, worthless. Expect nothing out of it, you would only be purchasing a turbo kit, nothing more. If anyone has any questions, feel free to contact me, thanks. Chris Wilson: Your comments are appreciated, thanks. I attempted to follow the path you laid out, i.e, I sent my car 1000+ miles away to go to the shop that had the only other 2UZ swapped MKIV Supra in existence in it's garage. Unfortunately, that did not work out the way I had hoped. I trusted that the original car would run properly to the originally stated 800-900 HP level and having my car at the same shop as it would make the swap run smoothly. This was not the case. As you can see, I am valuing the motor as worthless. You can extrapolate answers from there. Chingy: Just so long as the boat is a Supra I hope that helps. Chris

Someone emailed me this link and since that is my for sale thread on SupraForums, I'll answer a few questions here for clarity's sake. JamieP, Swampy442, smarty, edge, et alia: My for sale price is rather cheap as I have no use for this motor and would like to see it gone. At $8000 USD, that represents more than a 60% discount off what I paid for it...supply and no demand, etc. tooquicktostop: The costs to complete this motor setup would be significant (i.e. $10,000+ USD, not including the $6000 USD I already spent on an ECU to connect the motor and car); I stopped the build at the point seen in the pictures after I determined the costs more than outweighed the potential benefits IMO and I didn't think the end result would fulfill my goals of having a relatively high HP/TQ (500-600 RWHP on 93 AKI pump gas) streetable MKIV. dandan: You are correct. In the pictures I posted none of the intake piping was completed, nor has it been as everything would be a custom fabrication job for whomever were to buy the motor from me depending on the intercooler/radiator/fan setup they chose to use. Alex: Yes, this is a rebuilt motor, not a new 2UZ block then built to upgraded specs. As to the space for cooling fans, that was one of the issues that prompted my decision to forgo continuing the build. As JamieP said above, the other example of this 2UZ-TT in an MKIV chassis has pusher fans between the radiator and the intercooler. JamieP: Yes. Chris Wilson, BANDIT1: Agreed. I hope that helps, let me know if you have any other questions. Chris

I have used this forum as a resource for active spoiler information, so I hope I can give back somewhat here. I posted this thread on the US Supraforums, so I hope it may be an aggregate of information for members on here as well. I would like to thank jevansio, ~big~, and whomever I stole the relay diagrams from (sorry!) in particular for the information and pictures they provided on this forum related to the active spoiler topic. I hope this helps... Chris

Sorry, a Yank here and I don't want to intrude on your board, but Nic helped me get one of these kits a while back and they are finally assembled, so I figured I would post some pics of how they turned out. The kit itself includes new inner housings and clear lenses as Nic posted previously: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/Ab-Flug_Headlights_Kit/AB-Flug_Headlights_003.JPG I chose not to use the lenses as gzaerojon did on JamieP's car since they need to be retrofitted into your current lense frame, i.e. cutting the center of your lense out and reusing the outer edge that has a lip on it which fits into the headlight housing itself. Then the new lense would have to be attached to the old edge and outlined with paint to hide the line where the new and old lense meet. This seemed dicey to me for a minimal improvement over the 97-98 lenses (or facelift as I believe you refer to them), so I skipped that step, for now at least. So, basically I only used the inner housing portions of the headlight "upgrade" which are installed over the existing inner housings of the headlights. I had the inner housings painted DuPont Jet Black to match my car and had a member on the US SupraForums install them while he was doing an FX HID retrofit to a set of 97-98s (facelift) for me. Here's how the lights looked in the retrofit process: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-HID_Retrofit-009.jpg http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-HID_Retrofit-001.jpg Here's how they looked once they were complete and I got them back: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-Ab_Flug_HIDs-0001.JPG http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-Ab_Flug_HIDs-0003.JPG http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-Ab_Flug_HIDs-0006.JPG The retrofitter painted the rings around the projectors in black, as well as the high beam reflectors which are now inoperative since the retrofit was to a bi-xenon projector in the low beam location. Here's how the new housing looks next to an old, slightly yellowed 97-98 (facelift) light I have: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-Ab_Flug_HIDs-0007.JPG And next to a Euro headlight with the inner housing painted black: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-Ab_Flug_HIDs-0008.JPG And next to a 93-96 US-spec headlight badly in need of a refurb: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-Ab_Flug_HIDs-0009.JPG Here's how the lights looked installed on the retrofitter's car as mine is not on the road at the moment: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-HID_Retrofit-005.jpg http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-HID_Retrofit-006.jpg http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-HID_Retrofit-007.jpg And finally, how the inner housings affect the look of the car at night with the HID retrofit: http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-HID_Retrofit-003.jpg http://www.fuindustries.com/supra/HID_Retrofit/MKIV-HID_Retrofit-004.jpg All in all, I am happy with how they turned out. The kit itself is way over-priced and not exactly user-friendly to install. Anyway, I thought I would share my experience as there seems to be a limited number of people who have acquired and installed this kit. Much thanks to Nic as well in helping make it happen! Hope that helps. Chris