miko_supra Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 ok well its been over a month now since i finished my engine swap so i was raring to go with another project. i have been suffering from some really bad wheel hop lately so im giving the rear end an overhaul. today i managed to get the whole lot out... http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08072/rearend001693.jpg http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08072/rearend002526.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 not 100% sure yet as to what i want to do. all depends on cost and gains, but im definatly going to have a go at poly bushes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 not 100% percent yet as to what i want to do. all depends on cost and gains, but im defiantly going to have a go at poly bushes I'd advise against fitting poly bushes, I'd replace with OEM Toyota parts. Copied from another thread There are a few reasons why I'd recommend fitting OEM parts rather than aftermarket bushes; 1. The OEM parts use spherical bearings, not just simple turned/moulded pieces or urethane (TRD is the exception they use spherical bearings). Most bush kits (with the exception of the TRD ones) would be a downgrade compared to OEM components. 2. By replacing with OEM arms you will also get new ball joints, these are an integral part of the arm and cannot be replaced separately. Aftermarket bush kits only replace the bushes, but not the ball joints, so you will be left with old, worn out ball joints on the other end of the arms. 3. Removing the bushes from the arms to fit new ones is notoriously difficult. Often the only way to get the old ones off, is to burn them out. All this is very time consuming and if you are paying someone to do the work, can be very costly in terms of labour hours. Yes the OEM parts are more expensive, but they are a lot easier and less time consuming to fit, so some of the price difference should be offset by less labour time charged for fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jezz Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Jeez, you got that out quick!! You only called for advice 2 hours ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'd advise against fitting poly bushes, I'd replace with OEM Toyota parts. Copied from another thread There are a few reasons why I'd recommend fitting OEM parts rather than aftermarket bushes; 1. The OEM parts use spherical bearings, not just simple turned/moulded pieces or urethane (TRD is the exception they use spherical bearings). Most bush kits (with the exception of the TRD ones) would be a downgrade compared to OEM components. 2. By replacing with OEM arms you will also get new ball joints, these are an integral part of the arm and cannot be replaced separately. Aftermarket bush kits only replace the bushes, but not the ball joints, so you will be left with old, worn out ball joints on the other end of the arms. 3. Removing the bushes from the arms to fit new ones is notoriously difficult. Often the only way to get the old ones off, is to burn them out. All this is very time consuming and if you are paying someone to do the work, can be very costly in terms of labour hours. Yes the OEM parts are more expensive, but they are a lot easier and less time consuming to fit, so some of the price difference should be offset by less labour time charged for fitting. thanks nic i was considering oem but time is on my side where as money isnt. i can get a whole new bush set for £100 for the rear and i dread to think what oem components would cost. i appreciate your advice though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2 MSW Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 The aftermarket kits for a supra are not all what they are cracked up to be. For example I have bought the R2 racing kit and there are only a few of the bushes you can actually use. The rear wishbones have two large shielded bushes that mount onto the subframe and they are extremely difficult to get out, Mine had 3.5 tonnes of presure on them and all it did was bend the support for the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobSheffield Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 You are one comprehensive DIYer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 The aftermarket kits for a supra are not all what they are cracked up to be. For example I have bought the R2 racing kit and there are only a few of the bushes you can actually use. The rear wishbones have two large shielded bushes that mount onto the subframe and they are extremely difficult to get out, Mine had 3.5 tonnes of presure on them and all it did was bend the support for the press. 3.5 tonnes ! well could melting them out be another option then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supradibbs Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Bugger just brought a full R2 Bush kit too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 Bugger just brought a full R2 Bush kit too so is there something specifically difficult about fitting r2 bushes or just all bushes in general? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete_TT Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 i think its bushes in general on the Supra, though it can be done. Just burn out the rubber bit then put a cut in the metal shield/insert and it should come out quite easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 ok today i spent about 2 hours removing and fitting the original diff bush. the second additional one which is missing in the picture i had already fitted. http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08073/003missingdiffbush900.jpg this is the state of the removed one which i had to get out using a chisel http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08073/006removeddiffbush551.jpg i also got the left hand side upper control arm off and gave it a good shot blasting to bring it up nice for spraying later on. http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08073/005upperarmlhs396.jpg to get the bushes out i turned this up in the lathe, and a second one is going to be needed to support the other side of bush. http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08073/004bushpunch460.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 pushed out the two bushes in the upper control arm in the vice, but one of the lower arms i just set fire to it http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08074/007bushburning674.jpg given all the parts i have off at the moment a lick of paint. http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08074/008freshpaintedparts831.jpg the contrast to the rest of the rear end is amazing! the whole lot will soon look like this http://xs224.xs.to/xs224/08074/009freshpaintedparts897.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr_blackman Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Fair play mate wish I would dare do something like that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 does anyone know of a decent place either near crawley or slough that can do me a full geometry set up once this is done? how much should this cost also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyT Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 does anyone know of a decent place either near crawley or slough that can do me a full geometry set up once this is done? how much should this cost also? Another quality project. Hats off to you Miko. Give Muffleman a call, he's just set up his business in Crawley bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 Another quality project. Hats off to you Miko. Give Muffleman a call, he's just set up his business in Crawley bud. excellent cheers dude! is a full geo going to be what i need? what does this include? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangerous brain Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/ this guy is not far from you and comes heavily recommended by most of the lexus board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted June 8, 2008 Author Share Posted June 8, 2008 Well finally my bushes arrived earlier in the week. so this weekend i got the whole lot installed on the rear of my car and put the sub frame back in... One lopsided supra Also put on my facelift bumper splitter from jevensio (Thanks Buddy!) I took the car for a test drive and it drove 10 times better than it had before. The power went down nicely with no wheel hopping what so ever! CURED! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 congrats dude nice job! So when you taking me out for spin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul mac Posted June 8, 2008 Share Posted June 8, 2008 excellent write up mate, which bush kit did you use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 excellent write up mate, which bush kit did you use I used MVP's R2 bush kit...just need a geo set up as soon as i've got a few more miles done to bed them in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daston Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 very very impressive mate! What do you use to jack the car up and hold it up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miko_supra Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 very very impressive mate! What do you use to jack the car up and hold it up? Just a trolley jack and axle stands. I used two jacks to raise and lower the sub frame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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